Sons of the King of Spain - Eremon and Eber - came to Ireland, as recounted in your book 'Island of the Setting Sun' [page 47] and each ruled half of the island (with the River Boyne being a significant marker between the two parts).
Eremon, being the elder, should have ruled but Eber disputed and the two held separate parts, thereafter a fight ensued and, in the end, Eremon won and ruled the whole island and set his capital at the Hill of Tara - built in honour of Eremon's wife, Tea - and placed there nowadays (then also ??) is the phallic pillar of Jewish/Druidic worship.

Well, i'm not going to comment on the historicity of the above tale/myth but, as sure as eggs are eggs, it is a recounting of the journey of Hermeticism !!!

Scott,

I'd love to hear more about this! Can you expand? Perhaps you could explain to other forum users (myself included!) what a Hermetic Journey is?

Also, I don't give any stock to the belief that Jacob's pillar was at Tara, or that the Ark of the Covenant is buried there. I've seen those theories thoroughly debunked . . .

Anthony,

I've posted a few similar topics and questions/replies on the Forum and, from my previous readings, the myth recounted on page 47 of your book is another recounting/retelling of the cosmology of Hermticism.
The whole subject goes back to pre-historical Greece - Crete and Knossos to give it a more exact, but not sole, location.
The cosmology being re-incarnation. The gifts of the Goddess (her apples) were given to all. She had two suitors who fought and killed each other continually/eternally/cyclically. Hermes comes into the story/myth by combining the two suitors (sun kings) into one and then, eventually, bringing (forcing ?!) into the fold the Goddess herself (she being grudgingly acknowledged thereafter).
In myth this relates the 'three-in-one' (Trinity) aspect and is patriarchal (Hermetical).

The recent celebration of St Patrick reminds one of the myth that he drove all the snakes out of Ireland - the significance to snakes (together with the above myth) must be noted !

The stone-pillar worship is Jewish - refer to the (12) stone pillars surrounding NewGrange itself........was there a 13th atop the mound ???? - and, ultimately, possibly initially, Druidic !!!

Just to qualify things a bit more:

The (hermetic) journey that i speak of is not related to a personal (transformation/spiritual) journey but rather the story of Hermetic power gain/control.

Sir Arthur Evans notes that tree/stone pillar worship is of semitic origin (although they, along with the Hittites, took it from the 'older order') and NewGrange shows signs of this - along with adherence to a Mosaic Law !!

The Druids were hermetical philosophers and they hid the belief in reincarnation (outwardly) and replaced it with the following of the movements of the Sun and Moon - hence their stronghold lands - The British Isles' (and west European Atlantic coastline) showing so many stone/pillar constructions.

Hence the case that can be brought when saying that Jesus followed this druidic/hermetical thinking (refer to the 'Gospel accrding to the Egyptians') when he said that he had '...come to destroy the works of the female'.

Scott,

I'm having a wee bit of trouble with all this, because I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say. There aren't that many phallus stones in Ireland, but those that do exist were apparently put there in very ancient times.

I always thought that druids were a romantic, mythical invention of later times. I believe the Stone Age sites of the Boyne and Loughcrew/Sligo were erected by megalithic farmer astronomers. I can't for the life of me understand how any of this has anything at all to do with the Jewish people.

The standing stone / pillar is seen throughout Ireland. Many standing stones were probably erected between 5,000 and 3,000 years ago.

Anthony,

The essence of what i'm trying to say is that it seems that there was a 'switch' of cosmologies between the predominantly matriarchal one of reincarnation to the superimposing hermetical 'As above, so below' (with the matriarch pushed to the background out of the way) and hence the comology of the observation of Sun and Moon cycles ! Both the above are observed in NewGrange itself.

What it has to do with the Jewish people is that the Hermetical concept is of a PATRIARCHAL ruler - i.e. the Jewish JAHWEH. The Goddess allowed all to avail of her 'apples of immortality' and it was not dependent on a single kingly (patriarchal) ruler (i.e. the 2nd coming and 'the chosen' only to be preserved/live for ever).

Phallus stones
http://www.beyond-the-pale.org.uk/phallic.htm


Druids - romantic/mythical - yes, and more !!
Astronomers - yes
Farmers - hmmmmm???

I go with the argument that says there was quite a substantial change in the lifestyles of the people during the Neolithic which saw a change from a predominantly hunter-led existence to a farming life, which would have enabled the stone builders the time they needed to carry out such monumental tasks. Ultimately, they needed food. The myths hint at the clearance of forests for the construction of the mounds in the Boyne Valley, something which would indicate a move away from forest hunting to meadow / open pasture. Along with this, the central placement of bulls / cows / cattle in the early myths is another indicator of the move towards farming.

About the move away from the predominantly matriarchal . . . is this something that you think happened early on, perhaps in the Neolithic or the Bronze Age, or did it come later, with the introduction of Christianity?

It seems to me that the belief system in ancient Ireland was never truly matriarchal, but that it was akin to the modern Catholic Church, where there was a chief god (Dagda?), and the woman / veiled woman / hag, who at Brú na Bóinne was Bóann (Mary?), and then the supernatural offspring, the divine child - Aonghus (Jesus?)? Plus a whole pantheon of other figures who, in some cases, later morphed into saints when the old pagan ways were adopted by Christianity?

Anthony,

Yes, there was, obviously, a change in the physical/material lifestyles of the people but ultimately, and much more importantly, the change was in spiritual belief.
The control aspect is evident when one considers the change from full availability (Matriarchal) to dependent availability (Patriarchal) !

This change, from what i've read, can be shown to have occurred in the bronze age. However, that is not to say that previous changes didn't take place earlier. Throughout history there has always been the resurgence of the spiritual matriarchal belief - The Underground Stream - but it is, usually, put down brutally by the patriarchal priesthood(s).

For the Goddess and her two consorts (i.e. the belief in reincarnation) read:
Mary/Joseph/Jesus
Dagda/Boann/Aonghus
Isis/Osiris/Horus
Moon/Waxing Sun/Waning Sun
Myth is replete with the Trinity !!

The triplet - Moon/waxing sun/waning sun - was how the belief in reincarnation was expressed to earlier peoples, in agricultural/seasonal references (crops died but came bountifully to life again !).

Also, another way of stating this reincarnation belief was in the migratory movements of swans (especially relevant to the Boyne area) - they went away and, eventually, came back !!

I prefer Dagda / Boann / Aonghus to be:

Sun / Moon / star(s)

And perhaps even:

Orion holding the Sun / Moon and Milky Way / Cygnus-crucifix constellation



Agree wholeheartedly. Try Lugh / Dechtine / Cuchulainn

Although we're dealing with different trinities, I think. The "Holy Trinity" of Catholicism is Father / Son / Holy Spirit, while we're talking about Father / Mother / Divine Child. But the idea is pretty much the same, triple divinity. The three side chambers of Newgrange, perhaps?

And, to take it even further:

Aonghus, keeper of Newgrange, whose epithet was "Aonghus Mac an Og", which means "Aonghus, son of the virgin", whose cross-shaped swan constellation was eventually replaced with the crucifix, the symbol of the new "son of the virgin", Jesus.

Also, think about Cuchulainn, whose mother was impregnated through a sort-of holy ghost visitation of Lugh. Significantly, this happened IN Newgrange AND at the time of Winter Solstice / Christmas.

This is what i'm suggesting, Anthony, we are dealing with the same Trinity !!
The Mother/Father/Son(Divine child) is the Matriarchal Trinity with utmost importance on the Mother/Goddess and her gifts (of immortality/her 'apples').
The Holy Spirit/Father/Son of christianity is a patriarchal (Hermetical) formulation of the matriarchal one - the patriarchs then taking the gift(s) from the Goddess and replacing it (knowing themselves that it is the Goddess' but not acknowledging the fact) with a fully male(phallic) principle and, ultimately, to a single King/Christ/Saviour !
Again, i can't impress it enough, that the cosmology changed from a knowledge of reincarnation to become a hermetical 'as above, so below' principle, based on the observation of the sun and moon cycles.
So, yes, i take your point in expressing the trinity as Sun/Moon/Star(s) but this is a reformulated/secretive view and, NOT the original.
[The old saying that the victors write History is an understatement here !]

For the 12 pillars and basins in NewGrange refer to, as i made reference to in an earlier reply, Mosaic worship/laws - see Exodus 24, 4-7.

The crucifix symbolism/archetype is another interesting point that i will try to come to in another post.


Yes, NewGrange is the womb of birth/RE-birth and, thus, in parallel with the labyrinth of Crete - another womb symbol. But also, it is a death chamber/underworld..........reincarnation - death followed by re-birth.
This is why the myth states IN NewGrange AND at Winter Solstice - this is the time of the dying of the Waning Sun (dying/ghost Father) and three days (72 Hours) later the birth of the Waxing Sun (son, Cuchulainn).